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jcr
12-06-2008, 02:54 PM
So, I finally got my RS4, what motor size is the Team Orion Elite Mod and what do you guys think of it? Does it work with the Novak Spy ESC?

alfred
12-06-2008, 03:49 PM
Its a 180 motor and its faster then the stock motor.:D And yes the esc will handle it.

jcr
12-07-2008, 02:03 AM
So i guess no good compare to the Big Block? What's a good motor upgrade (and cheap)? And most likely I'll need to change the ESC too ?

alfred
12-07-2008, 12:54 PM
A good upgrade is to get a 300 size motor and 6cells......this setup will get you up too speed.....but of course you will need to find a 300 size motor mount. What setup are you running with that motor now, etc 5 or 6 cells, whats the pinion tooth thats on the motor now.:D

jcr
12-07-2008, 12:59 PM
I'm planning to run 6 cells... pinion not sure yet, having pull the pinion off yet but it looks like I have choices of 10-13T in the box of parts I got.

Mainly trying to rebuild and redo all the stuff the previous owner did. Not too fond with them gluing the batteries onto the chassis....

But I do have a new in package 300 motor mount.... so I would need to find a 300 motor? Would that work with the Spy?

alfred
12-07-2008, 01:05 PM
I know a lot of members that used the spy would burn it up when using a 300 size motor, but for me i have burned one up and bought another and it worked fine with that setup. The newer version will handle 300 size motors with no problems at all.

jcr
12-07-2008, 01:10 PM
how woudl u know which one is the new version?

alfred
12-07-2008, 08:28 PM
Now that could be a problem since i take it you dont have the packaging, your best bet would be to contact the person you bought your ride from.

jcr
12-07-2008, 08:33 PM
what does the new version say on it or what should I look for?
Maybe I should just use my 1/10 ESC?

alfred
12-07-2008, 08:35 PM
It would just say on the packaging of the box......the esc still looked the same though, so there's no way of telling just by looking at it. Sorry bud.

jcr
12-07-2008, 08:47 PM
hmmm.. might be kind of hard to find out....
I should ask Team Novak if they have a way that I can check.

Which 300 size motor you suggest that is cheap and fast?

How do you install the 6 cells 2/3A? I don't have any mounting hardware and trying to figure out how to mount these baby tight. I got two carbon chassis, and one is the Exotek 1 (has slots for the cells which I can probably used tape), and I have a full carbon but no slots for cells so this is giving me a tougher tight mounting the batteries.

alfred
12-07-2008, 10:22 PM
If you can please post a pic of your ride, and as for the motor i would just go with a Speed 300 motor. Click on the link, if you do a search you may just find it cheaper.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~jmendoza3/motors/motorsmain1.htm

Nerve
12-07-2008, 10:34 PM
Well if you are having issues finding an esc to use, as you probably know I have been using the Futaba MC230cr and it has given me 100% zero issues running 6 cells. I also have the motor soldered directly to the esc. Check my old micro build thread if you haven't btw...heh.

The user "homer" of the Homermade r/c bodies fame actually suggested my setup to me and I went along with it.

(btw is he even still making bodies.??)

As for how to mount the batteries, since i'm running the Penquin LM chassis, there are screw-in battery plates that the chassis uses and I simply "shoe goo" the battery cells right to that plate. When I need to change batteries, 4 screws and the battery is out.

http://www.penguinrc.com/products/hpi/p3500lm.html

Have you posted some photos of your micro stuff that you have? I would be interested to see the two chassis you have.

Oh and as for calling up Novak, all it takes is a phone call and ask. :)

alfred
12-07-2008, 10:47 PM
I would shoo goo the batts to the top plate to keep them from coming out in a crash.........and as for the esc check out the micro market as i have one for trade.

jcr
12-08-2008, 06:50 AM
Found out from the previous owner it was the original Spy so I guess not 300 motor with it. Most likely I'll reused a my old 1/10 ESC if I do end up getting a 300 motor, I think it is slightly bigger than Futaba MC230cr.

I'll be posting pics of the MRS4 some time this week. Some how I really need to figure out the battery mounting issue... don't plan to glue any of hte batteries to the car (which the previous owner did) because it would force me to use one pack of battery only. Thinking of using strapping tape like what I've seen in 1/10 but I need to make sure it won't slide around. Or I need make something cool to hold the batteries.

alfred
12-08-2008, 09:58 AM
Taking a look at the pic it seems that if you install the battery it shouldnt go anywhere.

jcr
12-08-2008, 10:06 AM
which pic are you talking about? The pic you posted up? Too bad I don't have that battery plate nor the hardware to mount it. I can probably make my own plate out of fiber glass but I still need to find the mounting hardware for it.

Need to go through my box of electrons to see if I have the mounting posts for PCB boards, I might have some that are taller than the battery...

Edit: actually the picture looks like it is one long screw! Even easier.... and I thought I need to go out and engineer something... But notice that chassis has no upper deck?

So what do you guys suggest, mounting the servo standing up like the picture attached by Alfred or flat (lower centre of garvity) stock position.

alfred
12-08-2008, 10:16 AM
Did your ride come with the hpi dual link kit or the stock steering arm......

jcr
12-08-2008, 10:22 AM
i got parts from both I think.... need to look through it, i have one big box of MRS4 stuff.

what are you suggesting? ;)

alfred
12-08-2008, 10:39 AM
If you can i would install it standing up so that way you have more placement options, like putting the esc right next to the servo......but then again in the end its up too you.

jcr
12-08-2008, 10:47 AM
so far both carbon chassis has it standing up. Was thinking of making the exotek one sitting flat but may not now. Does anyone make an upper deck for servos standing up or do I need to make my own (that was my plan over x-mas anyway).

alfred
12-08-2008, 11:04 AM
Here's a link to some hopups and stock parts that you might need in the future....save it in your fav's so that way you can go back too it later.....i know in the past that they did come out with one......but since im old i cant be too sure about it. lol:D

http://www.stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/searchpn.pl?dterm=micro+rs4&dterm3=&pn=&mterm=&oterm=&uterm=&sthumb=on&smode=0

http://www.rcplanet.com/1_18_Micro_RS4_Kit_s/990.htm

jcr
12-08-2008, 12:15 PM
cool thanks. But don't see any upper deck for the RS4 that will fit a stand up servo.

Don't need any stock parts yet as I have a whole box of them and an unassembled kit.

alfred
12-09-2008, 08:04 AM
Well i dont think your going to find one since it was made by exotek and that chassis is about 5 years old or less.

jcr
12-09-2008, 08:42 AM
Well have other chassis used the servo standing up configuration? I would think other upper deck would fit too....

jcr
12-17-2008, 05:26 PM
So I've ask Team Novak some questions about the Novak Spy. There are two version of the Spy. To distinguish between the two different version is:

Original: Does not have any serial number on the bottom
New Spy: Has a serial number on the bottom


Interestingly, I asked if the original Spy can handle motors just like the Team Orion Big Block because there are reports of people frying the Spy with this motor and this was their response:

I’ve run the original Spy with the Big Block and the Chubby Motor when they first came out. It was fine.