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dirthog
01-13-2004, 10:52 PM
all these videos i see are great and all, but were can i get one of these systems and which one is best, i am looking for one in the 200-300 dollar range and about 40-50mph or if its like 35mph thats ok to but i like fast and dont want 540 mtor because then you have to do a bunch of other stuff

Shawn Palmer
01-15-2004, 11:04 AM
Warrior/Lehner system available right now from www.b-p-p.com
Mamba system can be pre-ordered there as well.

Shawn "Mamba" Palmer

jocktheglide
01-15-2004, 04:18 PM
which one gives the most power by any chance anyone know a pro and cons of each system?

Shawn Palmer
01-15-2004, 04:31 PM
As far as the motors go - BOTH have more power than you could ever use in a micro.
The Mamba motor (CM-20) is $90
The Lehner is around $130?

The Warrior controller is bigger and heavier than the Mamba 25, and the Mamba 25 will have TONS more features and programming options.

I work for the company that makes the Mamba system, and it's my baby, so of course I'm a little biased - just being honest.

Shawn

jocktheglide
01-15-2004, 04:47 PM
spec wise is the mambo system better than the hacker system that they have out? thx for replying might seem annoying, but just wondering before I go off and buy something I regret thats all.

Shawn Palmer
01-15-2004, 04:50 PM
From what I've heard of the Hacker mini car ESC, ours is MUCH smoother, and much more programmable as well.

Not annoying at all - that's why I'm here!

Shawn

jocktheglide
01-15-2004, 04:58 PM
will the mamba setup be able to be used in the micro rs4 also?

Shawn Palmer
01-15-2004, 05:05 PM
Yes, bolt in to either w/no mods.
Shawn

troll
01-20-2004, 03:35 PM
And what kind of price would we be looking at to get started with a Mamba setup?

Motor, esc, batts, charger.

Nicely priced and matched packages would be great for brushless newbies like ourselves.

Troll

Shawn Palmer
01-20-2004, 03:49 PM
$139.95 for plug-and-play motor and controller.

If you want to go lithiums, Troy at www.b-p-p.com is the man to set you up w/batts and charger.

For regular cells, United R/C or Blind can get you what you need.

Shawn

martin
01-20-2004, 07:24 PM
Have ordered the Mamba 5400 combo from b.p.p how's testing coming along can't wait.
What else do i need to by to fit this combo this is my first electric so it's a bit of a learning curve.:)
thanks Shawn.

Shawn Palmer
01-21-2004, 09:32 AM
Hi Martin,

If you're going from bone stock - you'll need to replace the steering servo, remove the Rx/ESC combo block, and add your own Rx. Then, just bolt in the motor, plug in the new ESC and you're good for some 30+mph fun!

I put together another one a few nights ago - took me about 15 minutes in all.

Shawn

jocktheglide
01-21-2004, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Shawn Palmer
$139.95 for plug-and-play motor and controller.

If you want to go lithiums, Troy at www.b-p-p.com is the man to set you up w/batts and charger.

For regular cells, United R/C or Blind can get you what you need.

Shawn

is there going to be another setup or something? Man, shawn thats freakin cheap man for motor and controller!!! Is there a super high powered one for the speed freaks?

NitroBoy24
01-21-2004, 05:13 PM
I just want to double check this.

Since the mini-t has that stupid esc/receiver combo if I were to get the mamba combo would I need to get new radio equipment?? Never hurt anyone to be too safe ;)

Shawn Palmer
01-21-2004, 05:23 PM
Nitroboy - yes, you will need different radio equipment to run a brushless set-up.

OK guys, I finally got to complete testing, and below are my general recomendations for what motor combo to use depending on your track/speed needs.

These are based almost ENTIRELY on my own personal opinion of what is "too fast" or "too slow" for street bashing or actual track competition. This isn't the word of God, it's just a guideline to help you make your choice if you're pre-ordering "blind" without anyone else around who's driving it to get an opinion from.


For the Mini T:

5500Kv motor
4-6 cells for tight offroad track racing
4-8 cells for large offroad, or dirt oval track racing
8-10 cells for non-track all out speed
2 cell Lithium packs for large offroad, or dirt oval track racing
3 cell Lithium packs for non-track rediculous speed

4300Kv motor
4-6 cells for tight offroad track racing
6-8 cells for large offroad track racing
6-10 cells for large dirt oval racing
8-10 cells for non-track all out speed
2 cell lithium for all offroad or dirt oval tracks
3 cell lithium for large dirt oval, or non-track all out speed

3600Kv Motor
6-8 cells for tight offroad track racing
6-8 cells for "Monster" or "Crawler" conversions
7-12 cells for large dirt oval track racing
10-12 cells for all out speed
2 cell lithium packs for tight offroad racing
3 cell lithium packs for large offroad tracks, and all out speed


For the Micro RS4, or X-ray M18:

5500Kv Motor
4-6 cells for tight track carpet racing
4-8 cells for large carpet/asphalt oval racing
8-10 cells for non-track all out speed
2 cell Lithium for large carpet/asphalt oval racing
3 cell Lithium for non-track rediculous speed

4300Kv Motor
4-8 cells for tight carpet track racing
6-10 cells for large carpet/asphalt oval
8-12 cells for non-track all out speed
2 cell Lithium for any carpet/asphalt racing
3 cell lithium for non-track all out speed

3600Kv Motor
6-10 cells for tight carpet track racing
8-12 cells for large carpet/asphalt track racing
2 cell Lithium for any carpet/asphalt racing
3 cell Lithium for large carpet/asphalt oval


Hope this helps,
Shawn

martin
01-21-2004, 06:17 PM
Thanks Shawn, new RX & servo on their way then.
Am running 6cell 7.2 1200's at the mo but looking at your new stats may get 3 cell lithium ;)

troll
01-21-2004, 11:10 PM
I was under the impression that it was valuable to use the litts sine each cell is capable of more volts? I honestly have not looked into it at all yes.

I am looking for extreme bashing, and wowing the others at the offroad track.

I went to a track for the first time, and many brought their T's out, even the 280BB motored truck on 6 cells could BARELY clear the doubles, that my t3 cleared with nothing but ease at half throttle. It would be nice to go out there and clear the tripple with this little thing. :)

If 6 cells can run it well, I'd just leave it at that. I have enough trouble keeping nimh's in one piece, I run nicd's most of the time because of that.

Troll

Shawn Palmer
01-22-2004, 08:40 AM
The real advantage of Lithiums is, if you use the right cells (new generation 1200's, or 850's like I use) you can get 10 cell performance for 1/2 to 1/4 of the weight of Nicads or NiMH's.

The accelleration and speed are much better with them compared to a "round cell" powered car.

The downside I've found, is with that much power, and so little weight, if you're on a high-traction surface the front end just stays in the air all the time under accelleration. I've learned to keep the Rx and ESC in the rear of the tub, and the batts as far up front as I can when I run LiPo's.

Shawn

jocktheglide
01-22-2004, 06:35 PM
yo bro shawn that helped a lot man thx for the info hope the mambo sells superbly!!!!

troll
01-22-2004, 09:18 PM
Ok, well, we will just have to see how well it performs on 6 cell nicd's. Has any testing been done on that? I am horrible with batts, and nicds are the only thing I seem not able to burn down a building with.

Looking forward to the release and more info and user reviews to stream out.

Troll

MICROPILOT
01-24-2004, 07:40 PM
Just asking is the 5500 Kv brushless set up the competition or the sport edition in relation with horizon hobby web site.

thanks and have a good day.

Shawn Palmer
01-26-2004, 10:02 AM
I think it's the comp - the motor Kv's are in the part #'s, so there is most likely a xx54 (5500 motor) and xx42 and xx36 somewhere.

Shawn

Super Dave420
02-26-2004, 06:29 PM
Hello Shawn

I am running a Hacker B20 and Shulze Future brushless ESC.

I pulled the hacker from my Hornet helicopter and the pinion does not quite match the mini-t. the Hacker motor has a pretty thick diameter shaft. can you recomend a pinion gear that will fit this motor and mate correctly to the mini-t spur?

or can you suggest a different spur that can be modified to fit the minin-t?

I am ready to go with a 3 cell 1800 li-po pack !! :-))))

Shawn Palmer
02-27-2004, 09:19 AM
I don't own any Hacker products, so I'm not familiar w/shaft sizes of them.

That's why we made the CM-20 motors w/a 2mm shaft - so the same pinions that come with the truck can be used.

Shawn