Finally Got It

[alfred]

I have been waiting a long time for this bomb a$$ kit to come out as you all know....got a call today from my buddy Josh at Debbies RC World. They had 8 kits come in....wish you guys could've seen me on my lunch break.....:D I already know what servo and electronics i plan on using....


Servo- Futaba s3102

RX- Spektrum

ESC- LRP Quantum Reverse


All the same electronics i use on all my micros.

[J Smith]

Hey I've been there!

I took a trip to Busch Gardens last 4th of July and drove all over the place. That is a large hobby shop over there. They got lots of stuff, but not much in the Micro RS4.

I also went to 2 different HobbyTowns. Man it was a long drive to Debbies in VB from well I can't remember where I was staying. All I remember was that I was 15-20 minutes from Busch Gardens off of that main 2 Lane Split Highway that takes you all the way to Virgina Beach, Newport and stuff.

I still got there card, Phone # 757-361-6681 ;)

But back on topic. So what is that? lol

[BLiND]

dont show me the parts, put it together :p

[ronbeck]

is it together now!!!!




;)

[alfred]

I just got home a little while ago....putting together what i can....so far its not as easy as building the M18.....just way too many parts to deal with, with the m18t.

[alfred]

Its getting late over here now....almost 2am and im getting tired....so far this is all that i have done so far...lots more to do like the sway bars and put the rest of the bearings in the knuckles.;) :(

[alfred]

top shot......goodnight or good morning.:(

[oXYnary]

Hey alfred, does your servo have a matching spline output from those included in the kit? Is it a stock fit?

[alfred]

Im using a 85mg servo thats installed in there now.....going to be replaced with a Futaba s3102 later on down the road.

These are the servos that will fit right up in there using the servo mounts thats included in the kit.....


Hitec--

hs81,81mg,85mg

Futaba--

s3101, and the s3102mg

Why are you have a problem. There is a KO spline head also....but i have never tried there brand.

[oXYnary]

danke for the information. Though does th e 85mg fit the mounts and the servo spline?

I thought it had a smaller output spline and smaller dimensions than the 81 series..

[alfred]

the 81 and 85 have the same dimensions....also the spline head of the servo is of course the same.....You will not have any problems putting a 85mg in the M18t.

[philipalli]

how do the wheels mount.
Could you get a pic of the inside of the wheel and the thing that the wheel will slot on to

[oXYnary]

Someone elses xray, but shows area in question.

http://www.pmp-com.cz/RC/GALERIE/M18T/M18TZi.JPG

[alfred]

Dang OX i like thos tires.....who are they by....Im not really digging the stock kit pins at all....

[RadiShack]

WHOW NICE ALFRED
jeeez thos teaser pics with the parts lol ur hurting me hahaha

get it done sooon !

nice nice

i gotta get one

[alfred]

Finally got it all put together.....sorry fella's that it took me this long.....G/F kept getting in the way during the build...The M18t was a pleasure to put together....(just be sure to use the right screws) and everything will be okay. I am happy with the parts and how they all went together nicely...oh and i love the fact that it has front and rear working sway bars..... and i cant forget the nice double ringed servo saver for the servo.....:D


Now all i need to do is fine tune everything, making sure my steering is straight.:p

[alfred]

another pic:D

[EphiDelt490]

That looks good Al! Congrats on making mod too fool ;)... Now hurry up and get that beast fitted with some electronics.

-Adam

[morati]

Nice truck Alfred, can't wait to get mine. Hey just one question.....Do you think the buggy bodies will fit on it. I just like the look of them better.

[alfred]

Really not sure, i dont own a buggy body but if you can put one on the 18t then im sure you can put one on the M18t......Thanks for the compliments guys.:p

[ronbeck]

looks good to me alfred.......

but not sure it's good enough for me to get one ;)

but you need to gut the m-18 to get this one up and running for a reveiw and a head to head battle! :D



-peter-

[homer]

nice start alfred.:)
Im sure it'll be alot nicer when the aftermarket bling, bling comes out:p

[alfred]

Believe me i might just do that man.....Still figuring on how to lower the M18t to the ride height of the RC18t. The handling charateristics of each vehicle is going to be so different......If i cant find a way then im just going to have to higher the RC18t or find other shocks that will lower the ride height somewhat of the M18t......


take a look at the ride height of both vehicles.....M18t

[alfred]

RC18t....



That might be awhile good buddy.....I think the only real upgrade the M18t could use are some really good CVD's.

[BLiND]

the xray may settle with running gear in it, heh

but still, the extra ride height is cool to see personally, so long as you can get some stiff springs it will make it easier to run on 10th scale tracks

[ronbeck]

Originally posted by alfred
Believe me i might just do that man.....Still figuring on how to lower the M18t to the ride height of the RC18t. The handling charateristics of each vehicle is going to be so different......If i cant find a way then im just going to have to higher the RC18t or find other shocks that will lower the ride height somewhat of the M18t......


take a look at the ride height of both vehicles.....M18t

do you think the wieght of the electronics/batss will couse the suspension to droop a bit? you know you can always limit the amount of lenght of the shock shafts. use some fuel tubbing on the shaft before you insert ti in the shock body.

[alfred]

The electronics of the M18 will be placed into the M18t tom......getting late over here now....I think the M18t will out do the RC18t handling wise. It could use some stiffer springs though....I have the Atomic Springs for the 18t but those are bigger in diameter then the kit springs for the m18t.

[locobombero]

Originally posted by alfred
Believe me i might just do that man.....Still figuring on how to lower the M18t to the ride height of the RC18t. The handling charateristics of each vehicle is going to be so different......If i cant find a way then im just going to have to higher the RC18t or find other shocks that will lower the ride height somewhat of the M18t......


take a look at the ride height of both vehicles.....M18t

You might want to consider some Mini-T shocks. It seemed to drop the CG on my truck quite nicely.

[oXYnary]

Alfred! Get it running! (And it lowers alot once you get the electronics in it)

(per tires http://www.pmp-com.cz/RC/GALERIE/M18T/M18Td.jpg )

Ok Im a evil bastard, but I would trust GPM shocks as far as I could throw them.. Seriously. Baileysmicro with the real Losi shocks would be best if this does turn out to be the hot item. Not only are the losi rebuildable with spare parts, they are hard teflon anodized meaning they will last longer and be smoother for a much greater time.

[RadiShack]

awesome awesome awesome

[alfred]

As we i speak i am degutting the M18's electronics......

[oXYnary]

Noo! Your poor M18. You heartless b@st@rd! :D

[ronbeck]

Alfred! Get it running! (And it lowers alot once you get the electronics in it)

so have you run yours?

[alfred]

The placement of the electronics is just temporary of course....Im getting my electronics this friday.....Just need a DSM RX and a Speedo......All the elects are and will be going back to the M18. I was hoping to place the electronics like i did on the RC18t but i dont see that happening at all....got the RX on top and my esc half way in on the servo.....dont forget that the steering needs to move from left to right with the M18t steering system. Waiting for the shoo goo to harden before i plug everything in. Im also using the MM motor to power this ride.:D

[alfred]

Side view......

[locobombero]

Nice!

[alfred]

Well i finally cleaned up the wires and drilled a hole for my esc switch.....Then she hit the pavement and all i can say is wow.....dang nice....Overall a great performer...

[alfred]

side shot.......

[homer]

Hey Alfred,

Nice job. :D
So us the lid mounted in place. :)
let us know if the 18T lid fits it. I may have to note the differences, if any, in the mounting points, etc., on this beast. ;)

[alfred]

Sorry buddy the 18t lid just wont fit at all.......the shock towers get in the way of mounting....

[Xtant3150c]

Looking good alfred!:cool:

homer it looks like the m18t body mounts like how a 18t would be if you ran a rear shock tower up front.

So where's the body pics?

Will you be racing it?

How much is it selling for?

[alfred]

I got the kit for 124.00 bones....and the body hasnt even been cut or sprayed yet....work is taking a tole on me....Just trying to find the time.:(

[alfred]

Well i was able to run it today...and dang its nice.....the handling doesnt even compare, much better then the RC18t. It could use stiffer springs though but for now it's fine. Just afraid of really going all out since the cvd's are just composite.:D And another thing i didnt traction roll one bit.....I remeber the stock RC18t would do that when i took the turn. (Stock Setup of course)

[locobombero]

Just afraid of really going all out since the cvd's are just composite.

Check my post Al. I think we got that one solved!

[alfred]

cool, going to see now...:D

[oXYnary]

And another thing i didnt traction roll one bit

I noticed that as well!

I wonder if those sway bar kits from atomic for the rc18t would help it act more like that with the traction rolling.

It also seemed to react quicker then the rc18t. But the only RC18T one I drove was sorta setup funky with oversize tires on it.

Me and cdog4w are planning to have a shootout here soon between them since we have similiar setups.

[alfred]

That was the best thing i liked.....no more traction roll.....and another thing i liked was the responce also....I really think its due to the Micro servo and the steering system of the M18t....You also have to remeber that the RC18t used a Sub micro servo....(which im still using) I know a lot of members went up to the Micro and got rid of there sub micro servos for the power of the micro servos....:D

[acsubie]

i kept my sub micro servo, the airtronics- 2 reasons: 1. really like it in my 18t since its more than enough power wise for my application, centers nicely and the airtronics saver works fairly well...2. i wanted to use the m18t saver for my m18 and its 81mg:p .....will track it the following weekend and depending on results i might look into a s3102

[ronbeck]

alfrd can you post some pics of the 2 truck together?

i would like to see them side by side....i am very tempted by a new micro RC(maybe heli:confused:) and i want to get as much info as i can.

thanks

[alfred]

I sure can.......when i get off from work.....Acsubie you will like the s3102 very nice servo and centers right on the mark....:D

[oXYnary]

Well gee ronbeck, if you ever showed up on the alternate Wed, you could seem them in person. ;)

We still havent gotten to see you out with your motek yet.

[ronbeck]

Originally posted by oXYnary
Well gee ronbeck, if you ever showed up on the alternate Wed, you could seem them in person. ;)

We still havent gotten to see you out with your motek yet.

i brought it out for one race ;)

my son has baseball on wednesdays again...only 2 more weeks.:cool:

[alfred]

Well here's the pic of both trucks together....I know i said that i was going to take the elecs off the M18 but couldnt do it because of practice this saturday.....

[alfred]

and heres a pic of the M18t all by itself....hard to compare the two in the above pic.....(hard to see the details).....

[alfred]

pic of the 18t....alone and naked.:p


Its like Night and Day with both vehicles......i will get to run both this saturday when i get the electronics.

[Vic Nyce]

nice alfred..very nice!

[ronbeck]

thanks for the pics alfred.

very nice.

but talked to the owner fo the lhs..may get a deal on a eflight blade rtf heli:cool: :confused: :eek: :p

[oXYnary]

Oh TG! I thought you would end up getting a Mini LST to crush us. ;)

[alfred]

Well i plan on keeping the electronics in the M18t and put the ones i get tomorrow in the 18t......I cleaned up the wires and moved the rx in more towards the front, because looking at the body i see that the plugs will hinder the lid being put on.......I tucked the excess wire's onto the chassis with heatshrink and shoo gooed onto the chassis.....I also mounted the switch to the esc onto the upperdeck......I was also able to move my esc up more on the servo, being careful not to interfere with the steering.

[alfred]

the top view.:D

[ronbeck]

well alfred that is very, very clean looking their!

now run it!

;)

[alfred]

I did, didnt i tell you man...Cant run it that hard----waiting for parts support first...then she will go to hell and back...lol...From what ive seen so far im digging it......I need my GF to hold the camera so i can at least post a small vid.......Just as Acsubie said....the M18t drives on rails.....:D

[locobombero]

Truck looks real clean there! Good job. Has anyone heard any rumors as to when we will see some Al drive axles????

[Mini_Me]

If you look at the lineup of Xray Cars in the 2005 back page of the Xray Catalog. The M18T has metal outdrives on it.

Im sure they are very soon.

[alfred]

Well i got the lid all painted up, i was trying to get that blue marble effect like you see on bowling balls......Hey at least my GF likes it......:p

[locobombero]

Very nice! How did ya get the paint to do that if you dont mind me asking?

[alfred]

here's the front of the lid.....:D

[BLiND]

thats funny how xray copied the single letter company logo for the front grill emblem that losi used on the mini-t's

[alfred]

i never noticed that before with the emblem on the Mini-T.


locobombero, i used compressed air to move around the paint.....dont think i moved it enough though.

[BLiND]

the other way I've seen that effect done is with a crumpled up plastic baggy

[alfred]

The reason why i painted it this way was because my GF was looking at her bowling ball and asked me if there was anyway i could try to duplicate that effect on the lid....i did what i could....and as long as she likes it-im happy.:D

[ronbeck]

well what ever the reason you tried that piant job i htink it is pretty cool.

i like the blue as well.

hope to grab that pinion for you tomarrow.

[alfred]

Does anyone know when the M18t option parts are coming out....or will Xray be putting anything out at all.......:(

[morati]

Originally posted by alfred
Does anyone know when the M18t option parts are coming out....or will Xray be putting anything out at all.......:( Hey Alfred, NICE TRUCK! Option parts are being worked on even as I write this and will start to become available soon. Have patience, remember the M18? They DO take their time about it though........

[alfred]

Yeah thanks for the confidence there good buddy. Well got a chance to run it again...been raining here the past couple of days....I dont like how soft the rear springs are when i hit the throttle...The M18t swoops backwards and will remain that way on throttle...this i dont like at all...

I was looking at the atomic shocks i had to see if i could get them on there.....I first took the AE shock retainer and dremeled the bottom hole a bit bigger to fit on the Xray shock bottom then i used one of my left over threaded shock collars to act as a spacer to hold the shock in place......the reason for this is the AE and Xray shock springs are different diameters........



Please take a look.....

[alfred]

Full view of shock area....:D

[ronbeck]

saw oxnary run his m18t with a Bl and lipos. very nice. and jumped well. but kept throwing the cvds...

very nice truck over all too.

[alfred]

Im glad to hear that you finally got to see one.....did you touch it huh.....you know you did...lol...:D Yeah, i think that will be the very first upgrade i will be doing.....that and firmer springs....i think thats all the m18t will need.:p

[homer]

alfred,

can you pass me some numbers on the rough dimensions of the lid for the M18T? length, body width, height and WB length...

thanks ;) :D

[alfred]

the width of the body is.....

85.93mm

the height of the body from bottom to the roof is.....


66.80mm


the wheel base from lugnut to lugnut is.......

150mm


as for the length of the body i dont have a straight ruler and my calipers dont open up that wide....sorry buddy.....i will try to get one from work okay....

:p

[ronbeck]

your motor and pinion are coming fedex 2day should be their monday afternoon.

[Xtant3150c]

So hows everything on the m18t?

Have you raced it yet, or are you just bashing with it?

Did you end up selling your rc18t?

[alfred]

Originally posted by Xtant3150c
So hows everything on the m18t?

Have you raced it yet, or are you just bashing with it?

Did you end up selling your rc18t?


So far im loving it Xtant.......called Debbies today after work and talked to Frank....he told me the Xray option parts will be there tomorrow......well about time....just going to get the Xray CVD's for now and a few spare parts.....As of right now im taking it easy....Ronbeck sent me a Rad 400 motor and that motor is going in the M18t.......


And as for the RC18t i have sold it kit-n-kaboodle too Ron......all the parts and everything will be his....

[Xtant3150c]

That's good to hear about the m18t!

I'll probably be looking into the stock diffs for my m18? I was thinking maybe getting the parts to convert my m18 but it would probably be cheaper to buy a m18t than do a conversion!

So your the one Ronbeck is getting the 18t from! That's kewl!

I actually sold my 18t as well! Not to sad to see it go though as it seem time to get into something else!;)

The RAD 400 is a nice motor! I ran one in my 18t and it was sweet!

With my 1/10th rally tires/wheels on the carpet covered off road track I race on it would lift the front wheels off the ground!!!

I ran a 16t pinion with the 55t spur and it had a good balance of power and speed for the track.

Oh yeah almost forgot

Mahalo for the B-Day email!:D

[Mini_Me]

I'll probably be looking into the stock diffs for my m18? I was thinking maybe getting the parts to convert my m18 but it would probably be cheaper to buy a m18t than do a conversion!

You are correct. Please see my response in this other (http://www.one18th.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28315) forum to show you the price would come over $300.

[Xtant3150c]

Thanks mini me for that one!

Yeah I figured it would be ridiculous! Since xray parts are on the high side!

Hey alfred do you know if any of the m18 cf chassis' work with the m18t? Like the penguin, motek, eits etc.

[lextek]

No chassis are different.

[Xtant3150c]

Thanks for the info lextek

[ronbeck]

wqell for those that dont know i have bought alfred's rc18t to race at raincityraceway.com i will be raicn gwith cdog4w, HO502cid and oxnary. we have slowly thrown together a jump for the rack as well. going to test it tonight. think it needs to be tweeked to get he 18t's jump more level. and i can wait to ox's m18t going off it.

and here is a pic of my current set up on my truck. and yes i know it's m18t thread ;)

[alfred]

Looks good Peter......Hope you do well at the jumps.:D

[feaga89k]

hey alfred im kinda new to the whole electric rc thing i use to have a mini t and hated it but i figured i whould give the minis a second chance because a new indoor track has just opened by me anyway i have decided to get the m18t and was just wondering if you could tell me what the weak points are and what thing i need to replace Im going to use stock rc18t electronics at first beacuse im gettign the esc reciver control and what all for 10 bucks untill i can save up and get another spektrum reciver and better stuff

[alfred]

Well i didnt do much on the M18t at all, just replaced the motor mount to the Xray unit, but since you plan to race with it i would get a set of tuning springs and also the Xray universals......please check out the Micro Market, Acsubie has his for sale. http://yourmicro.com/forums/showthread.php?p=194170#post194170 You will love how the M18t handles man........

[feaga89k]

ok thanks so how does it run aginst the associated and kyoshos one more thing does it use a ragualr size servo? because in the pics it looks like it

[alfred]

well i can tell you now that it does handle so much better then the rc18t but as for the others you mentionedd i cant say since i have never owned a kyosho. It uses a micro servo.:D

[feaga89k]

ok thx sorry if i sound stupied lol like i said this is pretty much all new to me

[alfred]

Hey man, there was nothing stupid about your answer........we all had to start somewhere remember.......:D

[feaga89k]

true lol i just cant wait to get it and start building what cheap motor whould you suggest

[Mini_Me]

The Graupner Speed 300 6v with a 12 tooth pinion is a good place to start.

[feaga89k]

ok thanks where can I get one and how much do they cost

[ronbeck]

ok thanks where can I get one and how much do they cost

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~jmendoza3/motors/motorsmain1.htm There you go, and it should be around $18 with shipping. I have one of these motors I ran for a year racing twice a month, and it works in my son's Frgo now that he has shown interest in racing.

And the m18t is by far smooother to run then the AE trucks. The h8 is a bit a of a pig and takes a lot more effort to find the right setup. And People seem to dump $100's into them and then just sell them off. But my Fav basher Truck is the M-lst. But all have there own quarks or flaws....

[feaga89k]

ya this is gona be for track use only so its not goign to see any bashing lol but thanks for the link

[feaga89k]

also about how fast will this make my truck go

[alfred]

It all depends on the gearing of course, i might say around 25mph. Dont worry about the speed yet because there are plenty of hotter motors out there.